Families

From NB
"Families have no privileged status as relationships for me. They can be -- probably are -- the most potentially destructive, violent spaces of any. "To paidi mou" or "e mana mou" can be the three scariest words in the world for me, and the justification for some of the blindest, most horrendous selfishness imaginable."

"To paidi mou" and "e mana mou" means "my child" "my mother"

Crisis

Astrologer Robert Hand once described crisis as “a moment in which the past has the least hold on the present and the present has a maximum hold on the future.”

Getting Introverts to T alk

We were asked by the S.W.A.T. team officer:

My name is XXX and I am a SWAT negotiator with the XXX Police Department. One of my jobs is to find new recourse's and training for the negotiation team. Your article intrigued me because we often deal with people who are non responsive and show very introverted traits.

It is essential that we communicate with people in crisis regardless if they are introverts or not. Often times when my team arrives at a scene, the person in crisis does not want to respond.

Do you have any additional information on how to break the ice with Introverts?

How to get people to start talking with us when they're in crisis?

Thank you for your time,

XXx XXXPolice Department HNT Team


Our answer on behalf of introverts everywhere ...

This is from my technical, spiritual and menu advisor Dave who taught me everything I know about MBTI!!.
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Relative to MBTI types, there are two distinct types of Introverts. The Introverted Sensing types will always notice and (hopefully) recall more data than any police officer needs. They observe and remember everything and only need to be made to feel like they are part of the team in order to share this information. Of course, you can't make them part of the team if you bully them or pressure them. This is especially true of ISTP/ISFP's. Judging types tend to naturally understand the need for order and closure.

Introverted Intuitive types are more of a problem since they are not naturally very aware of their surroundings. They might not even notice key details that could provide helpful information to the police. It is very hard to share information that you never collected. Fortunately, only a very small percentage of the population are IN-types.

Lets use an example here. Bad guys try to rob a bank, cops show up - hostage situation at hand. Bad guys released 12 Introverted hostages in good faith. Police need to interview the released hostages. All 10 of the IS types notice what the bad guys were wearing, how many guns they had, how much ammo they had, whether their nails were dirty or they needed a shave.
In the back of their minds, the ISTP/ISFP Artisans would take this robbery personal. The ISTJ/ISFJ Guardians would view it as an attack on the system (that they love).

The Introverted Intuitive would look at it from a broader perspective.
The lone INFP is probably wondering why they were robbing the bank for in the first place, why would they pick that bank, wonder about the bad guys family life, what drove them to crime, etc. The INTJ is wondering why they would rob a bank so close to a police station, and why they didn't have a better getaway plan. The INTJ just knew they could do a better job robbing a bank.

Obviously, this is a gross exaggeration - but it does make my point.
Information is not the same thing for everyone. This is a very important consideration.

My take on this is that you are pretty much on the money except it might not hurt to consider the shadow personality thing. Fear can make Extroverts clam up tight as a drum. It call also make Introverts talkative. The most important thing to do is take fear out of the equation for Extroverts and to allow the shadow side of the Introvert to show itself. I would not decrease the pressure on the Introverts - I would increase it. Of course, I am a prick sometimes. Let me re-state that. I think that all of what you suggested in great, especially the part about the calming voice, creating a comfortable atmosphere and even a being able to write down thoughts. It is always a good idea to give an Introvert a notepad to write on as you are asking questions. These same things should all work well with Extroverts too, in my untrained opinion, as you are trying to calm and manage their energy.

If the above doesn't work, then I would push really hard. Introverts will usually revert into themselves under pressure - they will find their comfort zone and hide there for long periods of time. To extract information, you need to push them out of their comfort zone by being demanding and intruding. The only sure way to get them out of their space is for you to get into it and push them out. This will lead to a lot of bad feelings and resentment - but it is quick and effective.

I hope this helps. Thanks for sharing with me...

Dave

These are my suggestions that he is referring. Take what you like and leave the rest. “Intention” always rules! As my grandmother used to say, “Where there’s a will, there’s a way.”

First and foremost, mirror their body language EXACTLY. Continue to do this throughout your time together.
> 2. Have several people to choose from including at least one woman. Ask them, “Who (which one)do you want to stay here with you?” Use
> those exact words, don’t mention talking.
> 3. Give good eye contact one time (make sure it happens) and then look down or away for the rest of the time.
> 4. Keep your voice well modulated (no quasi military bullshit)
> 5. Say “we” instead of “I”
> 6. “We need some information. It will be days before you can really organize your thoughts, we understand, so you can answer one-word answers and we’ll let you write it out for us later or come by and hear the whole story and exactly how it happened in a few days. For now it’s ok to just answer in one word. Ok? It’s ok if you need to cry, too, or smoke or anything you need to do, ok, we can still understand your words. Nod your head when you’re ready ... when we can begin, ok. One word is all we need. We’ll help you with the rest.” [I am purposely using vague and winding language so s/he can get used to the sound of my voice. At a crisis situation sounds are horrifying to an introvert, way too much noise and stimulation. Use your voice to calm the person down.]

7. Especially the aforementioned infp type will want to know no one will be shot or convicted on the basis of information they came up with on the spur of the moment and under duress.
> 7. “Would you like to continue somewhere else?” Introverts are very territorial and very sensitive to their surroundings. They may overtly want you off of their property or out of their living space before they can calm down.
> 8. “Would you like me to hold your hand?” Expect an emphatic yes or no and don’t take it personally – there are 4 different types of introverts.
> 9. In every group of people there is always someone with a calming VOICE. Be on the lookout for this person and try to recruit them L OL
> 10. “All we need is for you to do your best with your one or two word answers. We’ll let you correct it all later if you need to. Just do your best.”
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> Regarding people one-step removed from the crisis
> 11. IF the person isn’t directly involved in the situation convince them how IMPORTANT it is. Introverts hate small talk and won’t say anything if it isn’t going to be taken seriously.. “Lives have been saved by seemingly casual information from bystanders like you.” “We feel you may have critical information to add to the big picture .....”

Getting in the Mood - Nancy R. Fenn

Saturn enters Libr

As Saturn enters Libra for the first time in 30 years, you’ll hear one astrologer after another tell you it’s all about relationships. It’s not. It’s all about integrity of the self.

How many “different people” are you? How often have you sold out to be popular or well liked? Are you consistent about what you tell people or do you talk behind someone’s back? When was the last time you triangulated? Do you talk out both sides of your mouth? Do you promise mo re than you can deliver?

Time to clean up your act.

Words to DEM MILNERS TRERN, a Yiddish Folk Song

A friend gave me the words to Dem Milners Trern, theYiddish folk song they played at the end of the Coen Brothers' new film, "A Serious Man".

THE MILLER’S TEARS

Oh, how many years have gone by,

Since I am miller here?

The wheels (of the mill) are turning,

The years are passing,

I’m already old and gray.

There are days when I try to remember,

If I ever had a bit of luck.

The wheels are turning,

The years are passing,

No answer comes back to me.

I have heard them say,

they want to drive me,

From the town and from the mill,

The wheels are turning,

The years are passing,

Without an end and without a goal.

Where will I live?

Who will look after of me?

I’m already old,

I’m already tired.T

he wheels are turning

The years are passing,

And together with them,

the Jew is dying.

What about the Stock Market November 17th?

Incredibly, the North Node of the New York Stock Exchange is only 1 degree from Saturn's ingress into Libra and its progressed Sun is right at Pluto's position in Capricorn. The square takes place between 3rd and 5th houses. Certainly it's time for a "new face" but what else will happen?


Relative to the upcoming Saturn square Pluto transit ... I'm wondering about the stock market. Which way will it go?

Follow my blog or catch me on facebook for updates.

Executive and EQ Coach Susan Dunn said, "The stock market is the most emotional thing there is."

In 1982 at the beginning of the current world order (Saturn conjunct Pluto in Libra) there was a 9 year high followed by a short but deep reccession.


Harvey Pitt was appointed SEC Chairman at crisis or turning point when Pluto in Sagittarius opposed Saturn in Gemini in 2001. This is the halffway point in any cycle like the Full Moon. I think Harvey would agree!!

Take a look at the more complete history and more charts of the New York Stock Exchange.

The North Node of the NY Stock Exchange is at 2 degrees Libra -- amazing. Just 1 degree away from Saturn's ingress into Libra. Its progressed Sun is conjunct transiting Pluto.

Here is the only complete and accurate listing of this cycle's dates on the internet. Most of the transits lasted 2 years:

1982 conjunct in Libra


1989 Saturn in Capricorn separating sextile Pluto in Scorpio


1993 Saturn in Aquarius separating square Pluto in Scorpio - Leavitt appointed


1997 Saturn in Aries trine Pluto in Sagittarius - let the good times roll


2002 Saturn in Gemini opposite Pluto in Sagittarius - enter Harvey Pitt


2007 Saturn in Leo trine Pluto in Sagittarius


2009 Saturn in Libra culminating square Pluto in Capricorn - only the Shadow knows at this poinnt but stay tuned as I will try to "call it" before Nov. 1


2013 Saturn in Scorpio culminating sextile Pluto in Capricorn


2020 conjunct in Capricorn

Arthur Leavitt was appointed SEC Charman in 1993 for a long dynamic term befitting a separating square; however all the later troubles incubated there! Leavitt's communicative "take it to the people" style fit the Aquarius aspect under which he took office.

Harvey Pitt's short, volatile term in office followed in 2001 just as Saturn faced off against Pluto. It was at a the turning point of this gigantic far reaching cycle. If this were a Verdi opera the music would be wratched up unbearably as Pitt walked onto the stage to sing a bass solo aria of incredibly ominous tension yet he is the hero not the villain! The whole term could be characterized as "crisis management" as it included 911 (days after taking office) and Enron and son of Enron and son of son of ... LOL ... and maybe even son of Wrath of Khan ... which is what Pitt does at is Kalorama Partners firm in DC and NY, crisis management. I espouse Adam Smith's "Invisible Hand" theory -- if only we had eyes to see we'd notice that history always gives us the right person.