Our MBTI Expert Dave DeVaughn (INFJ)Talks Career to an INTJ

JMM wrote:

Dear David deVaughn,

I felt like I struck gold when I came across your website while searching for information about careers for INTJ-types! I related to the career dilemmas of the INTJ’s (especially the difficulty making a choice), and I really enjoyed reading your insightful responses to folk’s questions. If you have time, I'd really appreciate your thoughts on my situation.

I’m a 37-year old female civil engineer who is borderline INTJ/INFJ. Through grade school and college, my strength and interest was always math. I started out as a math major, but I ended up getting an undergraduate degree in science, followed by a master’s degree in civil engineering. While I enjoyed the challenge of studying engineering and I like working with engineers, I've never enjoyed the work (despite trying different environments – design, operations, and government). At this point, the ‘physical world’ and building or constructing things bores me to tears; I'd rather live in the world of ideas and systems. Also, I feel that my jobs focus more on communication and team-work than on my strengths (working independently with math/numbers).

At the same time, I feel a very strong urge do something that has meaning and purpose. In fact, I spent a majority of my free time reflecting on questions concerning the ‘meaning of life’, etc. A clergy-type position would probably be a good fit, but I’m too independent-minded to fit into any organized religion. I also have a passion for helping abused and neglected animals (but I don’t want to become a vet or do anything in the medical field).

At this point, I'm thinking about a career change to something that will allow me to use my natural strengths (math, organizing, planning) toward some greater purpose. One option I’m considering is becoming an accountant for a non-profit organization. But I’m concerned that accounting is a much better for an ISTJ, not an INT/FJ. I’m also considering careers in teaching
math or engineering (but I'm concerned it will involve too much extroverting), starting my own e-business, or doing some work in the area of project controls or engineering economics (where I can combine engineering with financial planning – as long as I can find some good end purpose that I am working toward). Or I may just wander off to a cave and meditate for a few
years on the nature of reality…

Anyway, if you have any thoughts on any of the paths that I’ve mentioned above, I’d really enjoy hearing from you.

Thank you so much in advance and best wishes to you,
JMM

Hi JMM,

Wow! I am actually not sure where or how to start since your own path is so similar to mine. I, too, started out in another field (applied microeconomics/finance) and received a masters in civil engineering. I think those of us on the edge of being INFJ/INTJ flock to civil engineering because there are so many people-related applications for this field. It is much less
text-book engineering than electrical engineering, for example. I have had several correspondences with others like us.

Quite a few people like us end up leaving the engineering field. Sometimes we can stay in it for a quite awhile before we get bored or burnt out. In my own case, I survived by finding a position where I was bridging the gap between technical and social applications thru technical writing, teaching and working with non-technical people.

I learned how to communicate technical information in a manner that could be understood by the lay people that were also involved with our programs - legislators, educators, administrative and support people, etc. This experience is actually what got me into the personality testing thing is the first place. Although I was pretty good at designing systems (in my case, advanced technologies/transportation management systems) I was always found more satisfaction in organizing people. Of course, being a technically educated Introverted Intuitive meant that I was somewhat challenged in dealing with the overwhelming Sensing population. I got so involved with Total Quality Management that I actually took all the graduate statistics courses dealing with analysis of variance (new test program at MSU). Still couldn't find the answers that I was looking for until I happened in the MBTI stuff by accident.

This greatly changed my understanding of how the world really works. Eventually I, too, got bored/burnt out working in a government bureaucracy and headed north to become a residential builder. I still have all the technical fun designing and building houses - but I get more people contact. I at least have a purpose (but a very shaky income these days). We are different in that I enjoy teamwork and communication more than working with numbers.

Throughout my time in grad school and even after I started working for the Dept. of Transportation, I taught at least one class every term. I really enjoyed teaching and did not find that it was as draining as most human interactions. I am a true I ntrovert, in that I am very easily drained by social intercourse. Although I am fairly outgoing (like many INFJ's), I need lots
of time alone. I am not sure why, but Introverts do make great teachers. I think the key factor is finding a subject that you care about or students that you care about. Many Introverted teachers will act more as a mentor than a teacher. This can be a very effective way to teach. I would be happy to share my own methods if you would like to hear them.

By the way - Don't believe everything that you read about INTJ's being cold and uncaring. I have not found this to be always true. I have a close friend that is a true INTJ mechanical engineer. He is extremely talented not only in his area, but also has several patents in robotics which is basically an EE field. He spends most of his free time as a preacher (non-denominational, find Jesus stuff). I have an INTJ engineer friend that became a doctor. I know another INTJ that gave up the engineering and became an attorney (lots of attorneys are INTJ). There are lots of ways to help people as an attorney - not all of them are ambulance chasers (only the I/ESTJ ones).

I have only minimal experiences with accounting types, but I do notice a big difference between STJ and NTJ types. STJ types tend to be more driven by need to be part of the system (keeping the books), where as NTJ types tend to more interested in building the business by first establishing a system of controls. STJ's like to keep track of the info. NTJ's like to use the info to
build. I hope I am making that clear. I have actually been doing a lot of this myself lately. I have a small consulting business that helps people with business startups. I started doing this in the construction business and expanded it into the retail business as well (good thing, since the construction business is about dead here Michigan).

I hope this helps. I really enjoyed reading your letter. Please feel free to contact me anytime. If you find a nice cave with low rent that also allows big dogs, please let me know. If it is in a warm climate and close to a golf course, I just might join you.

Peace...
Dave

[Nancy's Note: I revere teachers. I put the teacher/healer archetypes at the top of the spiritual hierarchy. Thanks to two teachers, Mrs. McGuire and Herr Bruestle, who made me most of what I like best about me today.

IMO, the greatest teachers are always INFJ's. The great healers in this world are INFPs]

For more information about MBTI types that begin with I for Introvert, visit my website http://www.theintrovertzcoach.com/

Learning with Sir Isaac Newton

[Godfrey Kneller's famous portrait of Newton, public domain]

The INTJ Personality of Sir Isaac Newton

I've been learning a lot about Sir Isaac Newton because he personifies some of the outstanding introvert characteristics that you can learn to prize in yourself, your introverted child or your introverted lover. If you're an employer, you can also learn to identify two of these qualities in job interviews to your advantage. Introverts make terrific employees. These are the qualities: Sir Isaac Newton could concentrate like a Concentratin' Fool. He loved his dog Diamond. And he was a modest man. He had these three things in common with most introverts.

Sir Isaac Newton was born in 1642 in England. He is considered by some to be the most brilliant man that ever lived. Other contenders are Mozart and Goethe. Newton is credited with developing calculus and discovering the Laws of Gravitation and the Laws of Motion (more correctly, the "Three Laws of Motion underlying Classical Mechanics"). You probably learned in school at about the same age as he discovered these laws that an apple fell on his head which got him thinking. As the story goes, he wondered why the apple fell and the Moon didn't. His 23rd year was a phenomenon, an Annus Mirabilis. Later he also wrote "Principia Mathematica' in 1868-87 and "Optics" in 1704.

Young Newton was a real seeker. As a young person he wrote in his notebook, "Amicus Plato; amicus Aristoteles; magis amica veritas" which means "Plato is my friend, Aristotle is my friend, but the truth is my best friend." Latin was the language in which the educated class in Europe communicated with one another.

Some of Newton’s personal handwritten notebooks were deposited at the the Pierpont Morgan Museum and are now online, well worth a look.

Newton was recently in the news because of his Bibles. Like most introverts, Newton read a lot and one of the books he read a lot was the Bible. He had at least thirty of them. I've been running a book survey on my website for introverts. One of the questions I ask is whether people dog ear and write in their books. From the results of my survey, most people wouldn't dream of it but Newton's answer would be "yes". You can take the book survey here .

In a recent interview with Patricia L. Paddey of Bible Network News, Dr. Stephen Snobelen, assistant professor of the history of science and technology at University of King's College in Halifax, said, "We actually have 30 of [Newton's] personal Bibles at TrinityCollege, Cambridge that can be examined…. His personal Bible that he used for looking up references is a very small, hand-held Bible. That is a remarkable artefact [sic] to handle physically, because you can actually see the dog-eared pages. You can see the soiling. You can see this physical testimony of a lifetime." Dr. Snobelen is one of only a handful of academics worldwide who now study [Newton's Bibles and other non scientific manuscripts] for insights into his theology.

These papers were willed to Cambridge University by the economist John Maynard Keynes in 1946.

Newton was an intense reader. "While it is possible that some dog-earing was the work of subsequent owners," Snobelen continues, "it is evident from the fact that most instances of it point quite precisely to passages of demonstrable importance to Newton that the vast majority is his own. He used dog-ears not merely to mark pages but to align the page corners with specific passages of interest (hence the fact that pages may have their corners turned down, up, or both)."

To see a list of Newton’s alchemical works with precise evidence of the dog earing and notations, go here.

According to the London Daily Telegraph, Newton was consumed by apocalyptic research and reluctantly predicted that the world would end in 2060. "Thousands of Newton's papers, which had lain in a trunk in the house of the Earl of Portsmouth for 250 years, were sold by Sotheby's in the late 1930s. John Maynard Keynes ... bought many of the texts on alchemy and theology. But much of the material went to an eccentric collector, Abraham Yahuda, and was stored in the Hebrew National Library. It was among these documents that the date was found."

Sir Isaac Newton was an INTJ introvert. There are eight different types of introverts, according to Keirsey Personality Theory and Myers-Briggs Temperament Inventory, both based on the Jungian approach to personality interpretation. Newton was an INTJ Introvert, called the Mastermind. This is a rare one per cent of the population according to estimates by the Keirsey Temperament Theory.

According to Keirsey, "Masterminds approach reality as they would a giant chess board, always seeking strategies that have a high payoff, and always devising contingency plans in case of error or adversity. To the Mastermind, organizational structure and operational procedures are never arbitrary, never set in concrete, but are quite malleable and can be changed, improved, streamlined. In their drive for efficient action, Masterminds are the most open-minded of all the types. [emphasis added] No idea is too far-fetched to be entertained-if it is useful." Other famous INTJ introverts are Niels Bohr and Dwight D. Eisenhower.

Not all introverts are brilliant scientists and metaphysicians, but there are three things most have in common. Focus/concentration, love of pets and modesty are typical of most introverts.
Newton's ability to concentrate was just amazing … just like your favorite introvert; however, most of us have more social awareness than the British genius. Here are a couple of anecdotes, the first taken from T. Moore's Memoirs, Journals, and Correspondence.

"Newton invited a friend to dinner but then forgot the engagement. When the friend arrived, he found the scientist deep in meditation, so he sat down quietly and waited. In due course one dinner was brought up. Newton had forgotten to tell his servant a guest was expected. Newton continued to be abstracted. The friend drew up a chair and, without disturbing the host, consumed the dinner. After he had finished, Newton came out of his reverie, looked with some bewilderment at the empty dishes, and said, 'If it weren't for the proof before my eyes, I could have sworn that I have not yet dined.'"

Not only can your favorite introvert concentrate like this, s/he needs to concentrate like this. If there's one thing designed to stress your introverted pal to the max, it's interruptions. That's why we don't like and I mean h a t e telephones and especially cells.

Here's another amusing example of Newton's ability to concentrate. On his way home from town one day, Newton dismounted and walked his horse by its bridle so it could rest. The anecdoter continues, "As always his mind wandered. Perhaps he was thinking about the four wheel carriage he'd just built or the system of shorthand he'd created or maybe he was just watching the sunlight on the grass and wondering what made the grass green … miles and hours later he arrived at home not even aware that the horse had long ago slipped out of its bridle and he had walked the whole way back, alone."

Do you know anyone like this? If you try to change them, you'll destroy one of their greatest gifts, the gift to concentrate, and give them nothing in return. Please let introverts be more consciously introverted and don't make them try to be extroverted to have your respect. Liza's father was a brilliant introvert. They bought him umbrellas by the dozen because he left them on the Chicago "L" going to and from work in the rain. He always left them. Always.

Another common characteristic of introverts is their love of pets. Sometimes a pet is the introvert's best companion. N*O S*M*A*L*L T*A*L*K.

Sir Isaac Newton had a dog named Diamond who has become famous right along with him. I guess he was pretty smart. Newton once bragged to his friend Wallis about his little dog Diamond. 'My dog Diamond knows some mathematics. Today he proved two theorems before lunch.'. 'Your dog must be a genius,' said Wallis. 'Oh I wouldn't go that far,' replied Newton. 'The first theorem had an error and the second had a pathological exception.'" I know, you had to be there.

An even better story concerned the night Diamond knocked over the candle on Newton's desk, starting a fire that destroyed records of many years' research (!). Legend has it that Newton, viewing the destruction, said only, "O Diamond, Diamond, thou little knowest the damage thou hast done." (R. Hendrickson's The Literary Life and other sources … this is a very popular tail, I mean tale!)

Last but not least, Newton was a modest man considering his accomplishments and intelligence. Asked one day how he had come to make his remarkable discoveries, he replied, "By always thinking about them."

If you're hiring someone for a job, it would be good to know this characteristic of introverts lest you underestimate their capabilities based on their modest but accurate representation of themselves and hire a showy extrovert with half the talent instead(!) Introverts lack the desire to dress their own windows, a quality you will come to appreciate if you hire one. Instead of window dressing, they will focus, concentrate and produce.

If you're an introvert, too, I hope this article makes you proud to be just who you are.